Legal Aid Payment Advisory Panel minutes: October 2019

Minutes from the fifth meeting of Legal Aid Payment Advisory Panel, held on 4 October 2019.

Attendees and apologies


  • Neil Rennick, Chair
  • Ruth Innes QC, Faculty of Advocates
  • Paul Brown, Scottish Association of Law Centres
  • Colin Lancaster, Scottish Legal Aid Board
  • Raymond McMenamin, Scottish Legal Aid Board
  • Gillian Fyfe, Citizens Advice Scotland
  • Professor Mike Danson, Economist
  • Professor Frank Stephen, University of Manchester
  • Alan McCreadie, Law Society of Scotland
  • Andrew Alexander, Law society of Scotland

Scottish Government Official

  • Denise Swanson, Head of Access to Justice
  • Kieran Burke, Bill Team Lead, Access to Justice
  • Steven Ing, Economic Advisor, Justice Analytical Services                                                 
  • Rebecca Smith, Legal Services Regulation, Access to Justice                                  
  • Jill Stephen-Poller, Legal Aid Policy Officer, Access to Justice          
  • Shona Urquhart, Legal Aid Reform Manager, Access to Justice       


  • Mark Thorley, Law Society of Scotland
  • Ross Yuill, Society of Solicitor Advocates
  • Professor Graeme Roy, University of Strathclyde
  • Ronald Renucci QC, Faculty of Advocates
  • Ian Moir, Scottish Association of Law Centres

Items and actions


Neil Rennick opened the meeting and welcomed the members to the panel. 

The panel reflected on the last meeting of 6 September. Valued discussions took place in relation to the next steps as we move forward with an intention to narrow down and refine where we are at now. 

Agenda Item 1

Presentation on research undertaken by LSS/Alan McCreadie: Ian Moir

This paper explored research in connection with inflationary based increases to fees. 

Agenda Item 2

Paper on COPFS: Shona and JAS. This paper explored the differences in funding costs associated with the prosecution and defence of criminal law.

Agenda Item 3

Paper on contracting: SLAB. This paper was circulated immediately prior to the meeting, it was spoken to by SLAB but Panel members were to reflect and discuss in more detail at the next meeting. 

Next Steps

Further discussions to take place with regards to contracting and traineeships. 

Next meeting – Tuesday 12 November, Scottish Legal Aid Board. 

Legal Aid Payment Advisory Panel minutes: October 2019
SLAB paper 1: economic analysis of criminal legal assistance
SLAB paper 2: overview of cost assumptions
SLAB paper 3: criminal legal assistance market
SLAB paper 4: fee reform - potential approaches
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